Message 24591 in TECH.EU
From: G8MNY
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 26 07:19:00 Z
Newsgroups: TECH.EU
Subject: Comparing Off Air Freq Standards
Message-ID: <63176_GB7CIP>
Path: GB7RJJ|GB7BED|GB7CIP
R:260623/0724Z 15543@GB7RJJ.#79.GBR.EURO LinBPQ6.0.25
R:260623/0724Z 13295@GB7BED.#21.GBR.EU LinBPQ6.0.25
R:260623/0719Z @:GB7CIP.#32.GBR.EURO #:63176 [Caterham Surrey GBR]
From: G8MNY@GB7CIP.#32.GBR.EURO
To : TECH@EU
By G8MNY (Updated Jan 15)
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I used to have 3 standards to compare. BBC 198kHz LW, Analogue UHF TV syncs
& Amateur beacon GB3VHF based on its GPS time.
I can use BBC 198kHz LW PLL ref Rx or used to have UHF Main Tx Analoge TV syncs
(64uS pulses) from a VCR to lock up my PLL osc, and it can output a carrier on
top of the GB3VHF VHF beacon frequency 144.430MHz and the slow beats can be
heard in a seperate Rx (noise goes up & down on AM mode), I can also lock the
scope to 1MHz ref derived from the TV or LW to see which is creeping ahead.
UHF TV VHF 2M Beacon
With this set up is quite rewarding to hear on the 2m Rx both the 198kHz & BBC
TV input to the PLL signal generator, give an almost zero beat (much less than
1Hz) on 144.430000MHz, despite the RF paths involved.
Using the Freeview STB (Digital TV) as a source was hopeless as expected, more
than +3Hz in 1MHz out, as its TV timebase is just an internal crystal & nothing
to do with Rx data rates/clocks at all. But out of the 5 analogue TV channels
BBC & CH4 were the closest to LW & GB3VHF. Ch 5 was the next (London Tx has a
direct non digital sat feed!) and ITV was well out as bad as the freeview box!
USING HF BEACONS
Doing the same sort of thing, but with the 10MHz beacon, it is far less
accurate.
UHF 10.000000MHz
The 10MHz beacon HF path is quit indirect & multipath, so not only do fade outs
reduce the signal, but other paths can invert the phase..
_ _ _
Strong w e a k Inverted
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/
Local Ref
This is easily shown up with an AF beat into a reference locked scope, the AF
graphics!) as the hop path length changes, but also sudden phase inversions
when another path becomes stronger.
See other TECH buls "Off Air Lock for Ref Osc.", "198kHz Off Air Standard"
"Calibrating Frequency", "Crystal Drift Compensation" & "Simple Crystal Oven"
Why don't U send an interesting bul?
73 de John, G8MNY @ GB7CIP
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